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Post by pandemonium on Sept 24, 2009 9:44:20 GMT -6
For example, that among favored slash pairings are Megatron/Starscreamer (Transformers) and Cartman/Kyle (South Park). ...People write South Park slash? I know I shouldn't be surprised, but still. What. Well, Terrence and Phillip "slash" themselves. Right up there on the teevee. And who can forget the touching romance of Satan and Saddam Hussein? |
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Post by oshun on Sept 24, 2009 12:27:22 GMT -6
Of course, since I have only been online a couple of days, behind on everything, panicked about finishing my anthology story on time, etc., I saw this thread and had to go immediately to the TV Tropes site which I was not aware of before.
First, congrats, Steel on being recognized in a multi-fandom venue. Your work deserves it, of course. Good storytelling by anyone's standards.
Then I found this reference which I love in the fanfic section:
"Before medieval French troubadours were shipping Launcelot and Guinevere, the ancient Greeks were writing plays about relationships between characters in The Iliad. In Plato's Symposium one character complains that a fanfic play by Aeschylus got the characterization of Achilles and Patroclus wrong." (Personally, I think Aeschylus was in the ballpark at least: I was shipping Achilles and Patroclus based on my teenage reading of the Iliad long before I ever read Aeschylus or heard anything about the content of the surviving fragments of the Myrmidons.)
Points made above are why I have never been particularly self-protective within my circle of family and friends of my own "bad habit" of using others' characters in stories I like to write. I certainly did not invent fanfiction. It is as old as storytelling itself I am sure. My only complaint is that they detract from work I might actually get paid for.
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Post by erullisse on Sept 24, 2009 14:30:59 GMT -6
the touching romance of Satan and Saddam Hussein? LMAO. Ahhhh yes . . . Pande thank you for reminding me of some of the more uniquely entertaining television moments every recorded! You have now condemned me to an afternoon of youtube so I can revisit every sick, satisfying moment over again! |
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Post by surgicalsteel on Sept 24, 2009 15:01:38 GMT -6
Of course, since I have only been online a couple of days, behind on everything, panicked about finishing my anthology story on time, etc., I saw this thread and had to go immediately to the TV Tropes site which I was not aware of before. First, congrats, Steel on being recognized in a multi-fandom venue. Your work deserves it, of course. Good storytelling by anyone's standards. Thank you! I'm still a bit befuzzled by it! Hee. I saw that too, and rather liked it. Damnit, Darth, I've killed like four hours on that site between yesterday and today. It's entirely too easy to get completely sucked in! |
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Post by elfscribe on Sept 24, 2009 20:12:06 GMT -6
Steel, baby, I'll have you know I had to check out the Bert/Ernie slash because I am seriously procrastinating here and ohmygod ROTF wash-eyes-out-with-bleach, that-is-so-wrong, *chokes* but brilliant. The voices were spot on Bert and Ernie. Today we're going to learn about hard and soft. *chokes some more* |
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Post by elfscribe on Sept 24, 2009 20:48:17 GMT -6
In Plato's Symposium one character complains that a fanfic play by Aeschylus got the characterization of Achilles and Patroclus wrong. Snerk. Good point Oshun. Sounds like the opening volley in a fanfic flamewar to me. "Oh that Aeschylus, he just sees gay everywhere." |
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Post by surgicalsteel on Sept 25, 2009 4:53:13 GMT -6
Steel, baby, I'll have you know I had to check out the Bert/Ernie slash because I am seriously procrastinating here and ohmygod ROTF wash-eyes-out-with-bleach, that-is-so-wrong, *chokes* but brilliant. The voices were spot on Bert and Ernie. Today we're going to learn about hard and soft. *chokes some more* Heeee. I know, that was my reaction, too! ;D |
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Post by pandemonium on Sept 25, 2009 5:49:11 GMT -6
the touching romance of Satan and Saddam Hussein? LMAO. Ahhhh yes . . . Pande thank you for reminding me of some of the more uniquely entertaining television moments every recorded! You have now condemned me to an afternoon of youtube so I can revisit every sick, satisfying moment over again! Heh. You're quite welcome. I have [ahem] the DVD of the South Park movie which features Saddam and Satan. South Park is definitely a guilty pleasure of mine.  Note to self. Do not look at TV Trope at work. Do not get sucked into the seductive world of Bert and Ernie slash. Too tempting. Too tempting. |
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Post by oshun on Sept 25, 2009 7:30:14 GMT -6
In Plato's Symposium one character complains that a fanfic play by Aeschylus got the characterization of Achilles and Patroclus wrong. Snerk. Good point Oshun. Sounds like the opening volley in a fanfic flamewar to me. "Oh that Aeschylus, he just sees gay everywhere." Flamewar between Plato and Aeschylus is a priceless image. I have currently tuned into a couple of serious discussions on slash--one at Dawn Felagund's Heretic Loremaster site on slash fanfic and a private email discussion with my friend Lilith on slashy subtext in the media. I haven't hopped into the discussion on Dawn's site, because it did seem somewhat lacking in humor to me (with at least two notable exceptions: Steel's serious comment on drunken sailors that made me giggle and Pande's usual cage-rattling, of course). I am far happier to discuss anything like this on the Lizard Council with the humor and without the intensity, in the context of Bert/Ernie, Satan/Saddam and South Park. I hope that Lilith can share her subtext observations in the future. One of my favorite observations of hers about the BBC Merlin TV series previously, however, was that Merlin doesn't really deal in subtext, too blatant for that. It isn't subtext anymore she says when "they start with a pilot episode that features at least three references to fellatio in the first twenty minutes." Reading reviews of BBC Merlin, I have learned at least one new internetism over the past few months: HoYay: the abbreviation for 'homoeroticism yay!' (Note: I double-checked the definition on TV Trope.) I never thought to apply it to Bert and Ernie (and, yes, I do unfortunately occasionally watch them, although I far prefer Thomas the Tank Engine as does Baby Fingon). Unlike, Aeschylus, I guess I am not seeing gay everywhere yet. Hmmm. But actually, I am wondering about Thomas the Train slash. I think the pairing of cute little Thomas and big gruff Diesel might be an edgy one. (I know, I know I am going too far afield here to interest anyone in pursuing this one--much too esoteric.) |
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Post by pandemonium on Sept 25, 2009 7:58:46 GMT -6
Snerk. Good point Oshun. Sounds like the opening volley in a fanfic flamewar to me. "Oh that Aeschylus, he just sees gay everywhere." Flamewar between Plato and Aeschylus is a priceless image. I have currently tuned into a couple of serious discussions on slash--one at Dawn Felagund's Heretic Loremaster site on slash fanfic and a private email discussion with my friend Lilith on slashy subtext in the media. I haven't hopped into the discussion on Dawn's site, because it did seem somewhat lacking in humor to me (with at least two notable exceptions: Steel's serious comment on drunken sailors that made me giggle and Pande's usual cage-rattling, of course). I am far happier to discuss anything like this on the Lizard Council with the humor and without the intensity, in the context of Bert/Ernie, Satan/Saddam and South Park. I hope that Lilith can share her subtext observations in the future. One of my favorite observations of hers about the BBC Merlin TV series previously, however, was that Merlin doesn't really deal in subtext, too blatant for that. It isn't subtext anymore she says when "they start with a pilot episode that features at least three references to fellatio in the first twenty minutes." Reading reviews of BBC Merlin, I have learned at least one new internetism over the past few months: HoYay: the abbreviation for 'homoeroticism yay!' (Note: I double-checked the definition on TV Trope.) I never thought to apply it to Bert and Ernie (and, yes, I do unfortunately occasionally watch them, although I far prefer Thomas the Tank Engine as does Baby Fingon). Unlike, Aeschylus, I guess I am not seeing gay everywhere yet. Hmmm. But actually, I am wondering about Thomas the Train slash. I think the pairing of cute little Thomas and big gruff Diesel might be an edgy one. (I know, I know I am going too far afield here to interest anyone in pursuing this one--much too esoteric.) Oooh, that is edgy! I was thinking Thomas/Percy and Diesel/Gordon.  Pande's usual cage-rattling, of courseHeh. I try! |
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Post by oshun on Sept 25, 2009 8:09:20 GMT -6
But actually, I am wondering about Thomas the Train slash. I think the pairing of cute little Thomas and big gruff Diesel might be an edgy one. (I know, I know I am going too far afield here to interest anyone in pursuing this one--much too esoteric.) Oooh, that is edgy! I was thinking Thomas/Percy and Diesel/Gordon. Pande's usual cage-rattling, of courseHeh. I try! [/quote] I should have known it wouldn't be too esoteric for you. You wouldn't lightly refer to yourself as an insufferable dilettante. |
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Post by surgicalsteel on Sept 25, 2009 8:11:17 GMT -6
I have currently tuned into a couple of serious discussions on slash--one at Dawn Felagund's Heretic Loremaster site on slash fanfic and a private email discussion with my friend Lilith on slashy subtext in the media. I haven't hopped into the discussion on Dawn's site, because it did seem somewhat lacking in humor to me (with at least two notable exceptions: Steel's serious comment on drunken sailors that made me giggle and Pande's usual cage-rattling, of course). Bwah. I think half the reason that the drunken sailors joke is funny is that there's more truth to it than the higher ups in the Navy want to think about. We were the only active duty base north of Rhode Island, and I used to see guys from every branch of the service fresh back from deployments. But you're right, a fair number of the participants seem to have a much drier/less humorous approach. Laughing at yourself is more fun than pulling a pompous attitude, IMO. That's a really fun show, and the shippiness and slashiness isn't even hidden. It's all right there in the open to enjoy. That was a new one for me, too. Hee! *snorts Diet Coke out of nose* |
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