What do orcs call elves?

[kymahalei]

I have an orc, see. He sees an elf and he shouts, ""

Thanks,
Ky

[elleth]

If your elf is a Noldo, it's Golug, according to the Unfinished Tales, probably a loan from Sindarin? It does sound a lot like Golodh, at any rate.

[grey gazania]

As far as I can tell, there's a whopping two- or three-dozen known words of Black Speech and 'elf' is unfortunately not one of them, but orcs were also known to borrow bits and pieces of other languages and cobble them together. Unfinished Tales has 'Golug' for 'Noldor', so if your elf isn't a Noldo it might be possible to derive another plausible term.

ETA: ...and that's what I get for taking so long to type a response. XD

[kymahalei]

Mar 4, 2011 16:18:47 GMT -6 elleth said:

If your elf is a Noldo, it's Golug, according to the Unfinished Tales, probably a loan from Sindarin? It does sound a lot like Golodh, at any rate.

Thanks, elleth. My elf is Laegrim, but he speaks Sindarin. I didn't know that orcs were so discriminating.

[elfscribe]

I think golug is as good as it gets for canon, unless Darth knows of something else. There isn't much canon Black Speech so fans have been busy making it up.

Here's the site in the Ardalambion that discusses what is known about Orcish and the Black Speech:
folk.uib.no/hnohf/orkish.htm

Here's the basic Ardalambion link: folk.uib.no/hnohf/

Here's a site including information created by fans:
circlesofpower.byethost22.com/blackspeech/

Here's a list of fan created words in orcish that include 4 for elves, although if you're going for canon, this is not an option:
www.angelfire.com/ia/orcishnations/englishorcish.html

Mar 4, 2011 16:24:45 GMT -6 kymahalei said:

Mar 4, 2011 16:18:47 GMT -6 elleth said:

If your elf is a Noldo, it's Golug, according to the Unfinished Tales, probably a loan from Sindarin? It does sound a lot like Golodh, at any rate.

Thanks, elleth. My elf is Laegrim, but he speaks Sindarin. I didn't know that orcs were so discriminating.

[elleth]

I just looked up the reference, and they aren't necessarily too discerning... the shouting Orc in the Unfinished Tales at least (although the text states they were suspecting an attack from Nargothrond, and Túrin was noted for looking elf-like) applied it to Túrin and another human companion, so you might get away with using it after all, I suppose...

[kymahalei]

Mar 4, 2011 16:40:18 GMT -6 elfscribe said:

I think golug is as good as it gets for canon, unless Darth knows of something else. There isn't much canon Black Speech so fans have been busy making it up.

Here's the site in the Ardalambion that discusses what is known about Orcish and the Black Speech:
folk.uib.no/hnohf/orkish.htm

Here's the basic Ardalambion link: folk.uib.no/hnohf/

Here's a site including information created by fans:
circlesofpower.byethost22.com/blackspeech/

Here's a list of fan created words in orcish that include 4 for elves, although if you're going for canon, this is not an option:
www.angelfire.com/ia/orcishnations/englishorcish.html

Thanks, elfscribe. The Ardalambion site is particularly interesting. I hadn't realized the number of languages that Tolkien dabbled with. From this site, I've got my orc saying, "Golug-dug," (elf filth). I think it will do nicely. I might dabble with some non canon utterances, but I think that Darth would eat me up.

[kymahalei]

Mar 4, 2011 16:53:10 GMT -6 elleth said:

I just looked up the reference, and they aren't necessarily too discerning... the shouting Orc in the Unfinished Tales at least (although the text states they were suspecting an attack from Nargothrond, and Túrin was noted for looking elf-like) applied it to Túrin and another human companion, so you might get away with using it after all, I suppose...

I will use it. Thanks, elleth. It's nice to have a place I can come to for such help!

[kymahalei]

Mar 4, 2011 16:22:17 GMT -6 grey gazania said:

As far as I can tell, there's a whopping two- or three-dozen known words of Black Speech and 'elf' is unfortunately not one of them, but orcs were also known to borrow bits and pieces of other languages and cobble them together. Unfinished Tales has 'Golug' for 'Noldor', so if your elf isn't a Noldo it might be possible to derive another plausible term.

ETA: ...and that's what I get for taking so long to type a response. XD

Thanks for taking time to answer, grey gazania. I appreciate the input !