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Post by Moreth on Nov 19, 2008 14:37:25 GMT -6
Okay. I'm stuck.
Does it seem remotely reasonable that Aredhel killed someone in that Alqualondë debacle?
Reasons it seems possible to me:
a/ She would reasonably be travelling with her family.
b/ I don't see street-fighting as being well contained - shit can happen to anyone.
c/ I just need a plot, dammit!
Or does that just make you go *squick* - a lá Arwen at Helmsdeep?
I thought I'd ask before I write a chunk and totally alienate even the broadest-minded reader. (Flattery will get a result, I'm sure ;P)
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Post by elfscribe on Nov 19, 2008 14:57:02 GMT -6
Okay. I'm stuck. Or does that just make you go *squick* - a lá Arwen at Helmsdeep? I thought I'd ask before I write a chunk and totally alienate even the broadest-minded reader. (Flattery will get a result, I'm sure ;P) It doesn't squick me. But then, I'm not a canon junkie. I actually like the idea of Xena showing up too. LOL!! Nope, no alienation here. |
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Post by oshun on Nov 19, 2008 16:00:26 GMT -6
I would have to crawl back and to the research again, but I seem to recall that Aredhel was at the back of the ranks with Turgon, and not out front with Fingon. That said, it doesn't bother me. I'd like her better your way and fits more with her personality to me also. (Check my Aredhel bio on the SWG, I think it might be mentioned there?)
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Post by pandemonium on Nov 20, 2008 6:34:55 GMT -6
Okay. I'm stuck. Does it seem remotely reasonable that Aredhel killed someone in that Alqualondë debacle? Reasons it seems possible to me: a/ She would reasonably be travelling with her family. b/ I don't see street-fighting as being well contained - shit can happen to anyone. c/ I just need a plot, dammit! Given that women in our primary world have done the same under dire straits (and would not be labeled as "Xenas"), I don't see why this should be different here. Very different kettle o' fish. In my own less-than-canonical vision of M-e, I don't see elven-women as warriors who are sent out into battle (a lá Arwen at Helms Deep), but if the need is there as in Alqualondë, I would expect they could defend themselves rather handily. I probably don't need to tell you this, but don't let the orthodoxies of the masses constrain you when you write a female character. For this broad-minded reader, that Aredhel might have killed someone at Alqualondë is quite feasible. Now if you have her taking out 25 able-bodied men and a centaur or three, ululating all the while, I might raise an eyebrow.  |
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Post by Darth Fingon on Nov 20, 2008 9:32:44 GMT -6
I wouldn't have any problem with a plot like you've described. Aredhel comes across as something of a tomboy in her early years (out hunting with Celegorm and so forth), so her participating at Alqualondë wouldn't strike me as out of character.
If anyone whines about it and tells you your story is impossible, ask for concrete proof that Aredhel didn't kill anyone.
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Post by Moreth on Nov 20, 2008 12:40:55 GMT -6
Now if you have her taking out 25 able-bodied men and a centaur or three, ululating all the while, I might raise an eyebrow. Shit - I forgot the centaurs! It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that she would defend herself. (Check my Aredhel bio on the SWG, I think it might be mentioned there?) Thanks, Oshun. I'll check that again. I think you mention her relationship with Turgon... If anyone whines about it and tells you your story is impossible, ask for concrete proof that Aredhel didn't kill anyone. Phew. Well, if no-one here is telling me it totally completely breaks canon... Thanks! |
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Post by jael on Nov 20, 2008 15:33:30 GMT -6
Why not? She was unmarried at the time, would have been as strong as any of the men, according to L&C. I seem to recall reading that Galadriel participated in the fighting in at least once version that I can't be arsed to look up and cite, although she fought in defense of her Telerin relatives.
I'm enough of a child of my times that I don't really care for fanfic in which Elf-women are formally warriors, but in a real scrap, I bet every single person fought the men and the women alike.
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Post by oshun on Nov 20, 2008 21:47:53 GMT -6
I just thought of something. I seem to recall reading a fanfic a long, long time ago and I do not remember who wrote it, that had Galadriel killing someone at Alqualonde, I seem to remember finding it plausible in the context of that story and in my own reading of Aredhel she seems even more likely to have jumped into the fray and asked questions later.
I couldn’t resist looking up what made me think Aredhel was at the back when the group she was with reached Alqualonde. What I was thinking of was in The Shibboleth of Fëanor: where it says that she “was under the protection of Turukáno who loved her dearly, and of Elenwë his wife.” Just for your information, not at all an argument not to write it your way.
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Post by Moreth on Nov 21, 2008 10:24:12 GMT -6
Thanks Oshun! It's always handy to know what I'm skewing...
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Post by aiwen on Oct 23, 2009 13:16:32 GMT -6
Galadriel fought in defense of the Teleri in at one version of the legendarium - I think you might find it in Unfinished Tales. If Aredhel was at the back with Turgon most of the time, but slipped forward to talk to Celegorm (it's not as if she always stayed where people told her to), this could work. I wonder if she ran into Galadriel during the battle or shortly thereafter. Not very likely, but possible and could be interesting.
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