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Post by Gandalfs apprentice on Sept 19, 2008 17:25:38 GMT -6
Love that cartoon! More, more!
Canon mania is very helpful to people who are allergic to thinking.
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Post by pandemonium on Sept 19, 2008 21:04:36 GMT -6
And another...
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Post by oshun on Sept 19, 2008 22:35:13 GMT -6
Ouch! Oh, shame on you, Pandemonium! You just encourage her anit-Silm bias! ROFL. It is funny. I posted a favorite-LotR-quote meme m-thing on my LJ and quickly ended up with over 70 comments. The odd side of it was that they were mostly about The Silmarillion. Talk about a skewed view of reality from my little geekish corner of the world.
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Post by elfscribe on Sept 23, 2008 17:23:37 GMT -6
Love your comment, Claudio about canon fact and interpretation. Just the way I feel. And Pandemonium, the cartoons were great. Got a real chuckle especially from the first one. The HOME books give me a headache. I actually made an attempt at one point to try to figure out what the canon was for Glorfindel and discovered two different stories, one in which the Glorfindel who fought the Balrog was the same as the one who saves Frodo in FOTR and another in which he is not, (so it's fanon to say definitively it was the same one), plus several different dates for when he could possibly have arrived and variations on the story of the battle at Cristhorn or Cirith Thoronath depending on which source you use. I really wonder how pleased JRR would have been about his son taking all his notes and scribblings and turning them into Sacred Text. I certainly wouldn't want anyone taking my notes written in the course of a story, in which I made various decisions and changed my mind several times and then publishing them. So, in general, I'm with Oshun. I try getting my canon facts straight as best I can, but I'm not going to let fanon interpretations rule what I write. In my opinion, any fan stories constitute an interpretation and there are some people who need to remove the plug that's up their arses.
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Post by Darth Fingon on Sept 23, 2008 21:38:50 GMT -6
I actually made an attempt at one point to try to figure out what the canon was for Glorfindel and discovered two different stories, one in which the Glorfindel who fought the Balrog was the same as the one who saves Frodo in FOTR and another in which he is not, (so it's fanon to say definitively it was the same one), I've had the following exchange with numerous people regarding my Glorfindel stories: Reader: So, when does Glorfindel leave Fingon and go to Gondolin? Me: He doesn't. I'm writing this on the assumption that Glorfindel of Gondolin and Glorfindel of Rivendell are two different people. This story is about Glorfindel of Rivendell. Reader: BLARGH! CANON CANON CANON! YOU HAVE NEVER READ HoME! IT SAYS THEY ARE THE SAME! I AM OFFENDED! Me: I know that is the usual interpretation, but I've chosen otherwise because of these seventeen important reasons... Former Reader: YOU ARE WRONG! [ spontaneous head combustion] Me: Just for that, I'm going to write a scene in which the two of them meet.
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Post by oshun on Sept 23, 2008 21:45:42 GMT -6
I actually made an attempt at one point to try to figure out what the canon was for Glorfindel and discovered two different stories, one in which the Glorfindel who fought the Balrog was the same as the one who saves Frodo in FOTR and another in which he is not, (so it's fanon to say definitively it was the same one), I've had the following exchange with numerous people regarding my Glorfindel stories: Reader: So, when does Glorfindel leave Fingon and go to Gondolin? Me: He doesn't. I'm writing this on the assumption that Glorfindel of Gondolin and Glorfindel of Rivendell are two different people. This story is about Glorfindel of Rivendell. Reader: BLARGH! CANON CANON CANON! YOU HAVE NEVER READ HoME! IT SAYS THEY ARE THE SAME! I AM OFFENDED! Me: I know that is the usual interpretation, but I've chosen otherwise because of these seventeen important reasons... Former Reader: YOU ARE WRONG! [ spontaneous head combustion] At least you have the strength of your convictions. I have to fight with myself sometimes. I had a horrible time convincing myself that it was OK for me to go ahead and write Fingon as Gil-galad's dad. I have finally blocked out all the torture I put myself through over that one. It's easier for me now to decide which contradictory canon source to use based upon my own needs.
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Post by erullisse on May 15, 2009 16:21:14 GMT -6
CANON QUESTION:
What it is called when an elf commits an insult against the Valar? i.e. disrespects them or commits something comparable to a Christianity "sin" . . . I have always simply called it an insult, but perhaps there is a specific term and my brain is so full of supernatural nonsense I have forgotten??
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Post by jael on May 15, 2009 17:22:19 GMT -6
I think it's called 'pulling a Feanor'. ;D
I'm not sure if there's an Elvish term for blasphemy, but blasphemy would work just fine.
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Post by nierielraina on May 15, 2009 17:42:43 GMT -6
I think it's called 'pulling a Feanor'. ;D *snorts soda out nose* Damn you Jael! You must give us warning when you make remarks like that! ;D I'm still chuckling.
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Post by crowdaughter on May 15, 2009 18:11:27 GMT -6
I think it's called 'pulling a Feanor'. ;D Tolkien called it "speak up against the powers" and calls those who do so marred, or corrupted, I believe. (Too lazy to look up her *People's Of Middle Earth* book, at the moment; shall do so, tomorrow.)
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Post by oshun on May 15, 2009 18:36:20 GMT -6
Jael, you made my evening.
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Post by aearwen on May 15, 2009 18:50:05 GMT -6
I think it's called 'pulling a Feanor'. ;D ROTFLMAOASKAC!!! O gods, Jael! Now that's funny!! ;D
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