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Post by randy on Sept 21, 2010 21:35:33 GMT -6
I hate this bit of fanon with a passion. I would like to kill it with fire. Corollary of that is that they never dream, merely have 'sleep visions'.
I think this is based on Legolas's ability to get rest on his feet during the chase into Rohan and it has been extrapolated to apply to all elves, everywhere, under every circumstance.
I'm not as Silm literate as most -- is there ever a mention of an elf sleeping in the Sim?
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Post by crowdaughter on Sept 22, 2010 12:00:53 GMT -6
If their bodies don't age, I can't see them truly losing sexual desire. Sexual desire must be followed by physical ability and it is that ability that decreases over the years. I feel quite strongly that elves would enjoy physical sex as another aspect of closeness or love, but as with humans, you don't necessarily want children to be the result of every joining. If elves can control their reproductive habits to have children when they both felt ready to raise them, it would be a type of self-regulating birth control. Hm. Other stupid question, here: Would they have any kind of Menopause, like humans, or does that wonderful immortal body mean also that they do not have to deal with courses, but could somehow switch the possibility to get pregnant on and off at will? Otherwise, the idea of having to deal with those rather annoying female problems for eternity might be reason to lose all interest in making babies.
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Post by erulisse on Sept 23, 2010 4:40:35 GMT -6
Hm. Other stupid question, here: Would they have any kind of Menopause, like humans, or does that wonderful immortal body mean also that they do not have to deal with courses, but could somehow switch the possibility to get pregnant on and off at will? Otherwise, the idea of having to deal with those rather annoying female problems for eternity might be reason to lose all interest in making babies.
Not a stupid question at all, CrowDaughter. Personally, if I had to live through monthly courses for 1000's of years, I would have been driven crazy and would probably have faded by choice. Since menstruation and the problems that can come with that almost killed me anyway and the pain was almost unbearable at the end before my surgery, I can't see any female of any species looking forward to this.
I think - and it's a personal opinion and certainly not backed up by any print materials that I've seen - that the oft-mentioned bodily control that deals with the creation of children, would also be able to regulate female menstruation. Perhaps part of the decision of a couple to have a child deals with the female, in essence, "turning on a fertility switch" and allowing for monthly menstruation and fertility.
I just think of all of those white dresses and cringe.... ;D
- Erulisse (one L)
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Post by erulisse on Sept 23, 2010 4:41:08 GMT -6
Oh, and menopause is a VERY good thing :-)
- Erulisse (one L)
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Post by aearwen on Sept 23, 2010 11:38:24 GMT -6
Oh, and menopause is a VERY good thing :-) * cackles* Boy, you got that right!!! One of the few real benefits of aging, I swear! However, I like the idea that Elves turn their reproductive processes on and off through meditation (both male and female.) I may have to use this idea with Gilraen - or Elara - probably the latter (although, she may end up grateful that she's not tasked with trying to care for or raise a child while blind...) It also gives more ground to my gwaeth-gwend arrangement between Gilraen and Glorfindel (and Elrond, to a lesser extent.) As for sleeping, I would think that their resilience makes it possible for them to go without for extended periods of time (as contrasted to mortal abilities) instead of not sleeping at all. "Waking dreams" to me is more a case of being able to remember well enough that it is almost as if living the event over again. I would think that they would dream as often and as deeply as any mortal - and that injury would no more impede them in that respect than it does any other human.
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Post by pandemonium on Sept 24, 2010 12:19:35 GMT -6
Oh, and menopause is a VERY good thing :-) * cackles* Boy, you got that right!!! One of the few real benefits of aging, I swear! Re: menopause. Today I had a physical exam with the internist who was my primary care physician when I previously lived in Boston. She remembered me, and we had a great chat while she took my medical history (the clinic is all electronic now so my paper records are buried in the vaults of Iron Mountain). She's also close to my age. Doctor, going through my medical history on her laptop: Menopause? Pandë: Yes, two years ago. Doctor, looks up and beams: Congratulations!
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Post by oshun on Sept 24, 2010 16:31:48 GMT -6
* cackles* Boy, you got that right!!! One of the few real benefits of aging, I swear! Re: menopause. Today I had a physical exam with the internist who was my primary care physician when I previously lived in Boston. She remembered me, and we had a great chat while she took my medical history (the clinic is all electronic now so my paper records are buried in the vaults of Iron Mountain). She's also close to my age. Doctor, going through my medical history on her laptop: Menopause? Pandë: Yes, two years ago. Doctor, looks up and beams: Congratulations! I have to admit that menopause wasn't that bad and the aftermath so far has been terrific. I stopped chasing men and started writing about elves.
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Post by crowdaughter on Sept 25, 2010 6:46:56 GMT -6
I have to admit that menopause wasn't that bad and the aftermath so far has been terrific. I stopped chasing men and started writing about elves. Unfortunately, I am still in the middle of the changes. It does NOT make me happy. If Elves have to go through all that flying heat stuff every time they decide to have children again, then poor Elven ladies. If they are like humans and have a short, limited time in which they still have courses (the time of generations) and then, afterwards, get menopause (mind turns to other things), it might work... but then, what about "late-bloomers" like Galadriel, who was pretty old to begin with when she married, and even older when she had her kid? What about Celebrian, who had a century between the birth of the twins and Arwen? Several centuries of courses... oh, dear. /closes TMI topic.
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Post by ilmareaegnor on Sept 29, 2010 14:36:58 GMT -6
Very interesting article published in Tolkien Studies, Volume 7, 2010, "Elladan and Elrohir: The Dioscuri in The Lord of the Rings" "Project MUSE - Tolkien Studies - Elladan and Elrohir: The Dioscuri in The Lord of the Rings Project MUSE Journals Tolkien Studies Volume 7, 2010 Elladan and Elrohir: The Dioscuri in The Lord of the Rings Tolkien Studies Volume 7, 2010 E-ISSN: 1547-3163 Print ISSN: 1547-3155 DOI: 10.1353/tks.0.0081 Elladan and Elrohir:The Dioscuri in The Lord of the Rings Sherrylyn Branchaw In J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings, Elladan and Elrohir are the twin sons of half-elven lord Elrond. The index records a small number of passages1 in the text and appendix where they are found. Most of these passages are mundane, describing who brings up the rear of a company, or who bears the torches. In the contentful passages, the only way in which the sons of Elrond advance the plot is to bring a message from their father to Aragorn. They accompany him on the Paths of the Dead and in the final battle, but they do not stand out more than, say, Halbarad the Dúnadan. These passages, though, few as they are and unremarkable as they may seem, provide a mythological background to the sons of Elrond that is as rich and resonant as any in Middle-earth, a background that is elaborated on and supported by Tolkien's posthumously published works, such as the Silmarillion and The History of Middle-earth. I provide here the six passages to be analyzed in detail. 1. So it was that Frodo saw her whom few mortals had yet seen; Arwen, daughter of Elrond, in whom it was said that the.." Attachments:
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Post by walks on Apr 18, 2012 17:32:41 GMT -6
I am a sentimental believer in the twins sailing along with Celeborn.
Beyond that, I feel that all the healing in the world would probably not be enough to get Celebrian to wrap her mind around a pregnancy in view of what the orcs did to her. And in view of that, i do not see Elrond, as a healer, encouraging the notion. Strictly in my humble opinion.
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